Feature: Copy to clipboard, no paste #934
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Welcome to the AutoKey community, @jahagirdar ! While this could be added, IMO, it would probably be better (and it is already possible) to handle this as a script rather than as a phrase. The script could copy the desired text to the clipboard and then retrieve the active window class and/or title. It would then determine the appropriate way to paste for that application. The window class is usually indicative of what the underlying application is. The only fine point would be to take into account that all our clipboard API calls are asynchronous which is a fancy way of saying that you have to add a small delay in your script after every clipboard API call to give it time to complete before trying to use the results of that action. This can be implemented by a very short script. It also makes it so the user doesn't have to respond quickly with the correct manual action after pressing the hotkey or typing the trigger abbreviation. If you would like assistance in writing such a script or want to discuss anything else related to AutoKey, join us over in our forum or on Gitter. I notice that you are not running 0.96.0, our current release. This release contains a lot of bug fixes and a few new features. We highly encourage users to upgrade as soon as possible. You can find it here and instructions are here. The installation is pretty easy to do and we also provide .deb packages for users of Debian and Debian-derived distributions (Ubuntu, Mint, ...). |
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been trying to understand your documentation for a while. Getting nowhere. I assigned a key combination to "my first phrase". I can't make that key combination paste that phrase anywhere. I guess I've completely misunderstood what you mean by everything you've written. just to get control and a character to show up as the trigger which still doesn't work was completely unintuitive. |
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why is it that people who write applications for windows arrive with a product which anybody can use instantly and people who write linux applications constantly have exceptions and excuses for why it doesn't work out of the box? I've read recently that there is a whole crop of doofuses who will chime in here (unless you've banished them somehow) and tell me that I'm a doofus. I don't know whether that will happen and I don't care, we all need to not care about what people we don't know say to us. That after 44 years of using operating systems that nobody has made an intuitive app to have a hotkey paste a phrase in linux says a lot. I have a theory that Microsoft is the most prolific financial supporter of linux developers. It makes sense, like that they can profit from this resource without anybody else getting any use out of it. I first noticed this when I saw that google earth is terrible on linux and excellent on windows. The things which make it terrible on linux are configurable on windows and hidden from view on linux. |
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@lebergerdesphotons Welcome to the AutoKey community! Please give us a chance to assist you before you get mad at us! First, a few generic responses: We prefer to handle support on our Google Groups forum or on Gitter, as noted in my reply to the OP. But, as long as you are already here... Many Linux applications assume you know a lot about how things work in Linux before you use them. AutoKey has a lot of users who just use phrases and we try to reduce such prerequisite knowledge as much as possible. We have all been frustrated by man pages, etc. that assume you know a great deal and just need to remember what some arcane option does. We try not to be that way. I'm not sure what "documentation" you are referring to. We have put many hours of work into our wiki which contains a number of articles on how AutoKey works and how to address specific situations along with many example scripts. The goal is to be as accessible as possible to both beginners and advanced users. I am sure that the wiki can always be improved, but we need specific feedback to know what is unclear or that you are misinterpreting for some reason. If you're not already using our current release of AutoKey, 0.96.0, be sure to upgrade first. See my response to the OP above for how to do that. It will probably make a big difference to you sooner or later. More specifically: The following looks long and involved, but is really just a few mouse clicks and keypresses once you're familiar with how it works. To assign a hotkey to an existing phrase
Some variations to the above sequence are possible, but they should be avoided until you are comfortable using AutoKey's basic functionality and have a basic understanding of how to figure out what's wrong if something doesn't work as expected. |
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I figured it out about a minute after I vented. Funny thing is, I wanted
to go back and apologize and couldn't find where I'd vented. It could be
useful if it were possible to, as one pushes a key such as ctrl or alt to
have the image of that key on the screen light up instantly. What wasn't
clear to me was whether I needed to push the "record" button before or
after I pushed my key combination. One can't see until after if it has
worked. At the same time I saw that Virginia had a pile of other problems
and so I moved to Vanessa. In vanessa the autokey that I found had a
different text on the button to record my key combination which I found to
be more clear (though I'd already figured it out). That button seemed to
indicate to me that I was going to start recording a macro. This made it
obvious that I needed to push that button first. On the other version, it
wasn't clear whether I push before or after. In Virginia, once I'd
figured it out, it crashed when I tried to record a third phrase, had to
restart. Then it worked, but then the next time I started virginia,
virginia was toast with a problem another used had had and for which no
solution was posted. So I wasn't going to waste more time on Virginia, 3
gigs versus 2.3 and I don't see why. Thanks for autokey, it means that
there is now one more barrier removed from me becoming microshaft-less. I
have refused windows 10 or 11, I like windows 7, but the lack of updates
makes it hard to get some things to work. Constant barrage of new
"features" that don't interest me but people like Ubiquiti are working to
make sure that I can only use newer things which (like windows 10) seem to
have their only purpose be to better surveille me.
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@lebergerdesphotons <https://github.com/lebergerdesphotons> Welcome to
the AutoKey community!
Please give us a chance to assist you before you get mad at us!
First, a few generic responses:
We prefer to handle support on our Google Groups forum or on Gitter, as
noted in my reply to the OP. But, as long as you are already here...
Many Linux applications assume you know a lot about how things work in
Linux before you use them. AutoKey has a lot of users who just use phrases
and we try to reduce such prerequisite knowledge as much as possible. We
have all been frustrated by man pages, etc. that assume you know a great
deal and just need to remember what some arcane option does. We try not to
be that way.
I'm not sure what "documentation" you are referring to. We have put many
hours of work into our wiki <https://github.com/autokey/autokey/wiki/>
which contains a number of articles on how AutoKey works and how to address
specific situations along with many example scripts. The goal is to be as
accessible as possible to both beginners and advanced users.
I am sure that the wiki can always be improved, but we need specific
feedback to know what is unclear or that you are misinterpreting for some
reason.
If you're not already using our current release of AutoKey, 0.96.0, be
sure to upgrade first. See my response to the OP above for how to do that.
It will probably make a big difference to you sooner or later.
More specifically:
The following looks long and involved, but is really just a few mouse
clicks and keypresses once you're familiar with how it works.
To assign a hotkey to an existing phrase
- Open the phrase from the navigation panel on the left of the AutoKey
main window
- The panels on the right will display information about the phrase
and its settings
- Toward the lower right, you will find a line that starts with Hotkey:
- On that line, click on the Set button. This will open the Set Hotkey
dialog
- In the Set Hotkey dialog, click on Record a key combination
- Press and hold any desired modifier key(s) such as Super (the
"Windows" key on most keyboards) or Ctrl
- Press a normal key such as g and then release all pressed keys
Your desktop environment and application window(s) already have a
number of hotkeys assigned to various functions. Be sure not to
accidentally choose one that is already assigned to something, (No, AFAIK,
there is no generic way to know what hotkeys are already assigned to
something. You just have to be careful and figure it out empirically.)
- Click on OK
- The dialog will close and you should see the assigned hotkey
combination next to the Hotkey: label
- Unless you have a specific requirement, you should make sure that Clipboard
(Ctrl+V) is selected as the Paste using method in the associated drop
down list
- Click on Save on the Main menu bar near the top left of the main
window to save your changes
You can set AutoKey to automatically save such changes when the Main
window is closed, but while it is still open, the changes will not go into
effect until you click the Save button
- Select or open a window where you will test your phrase
It is usually best to use an application which is as simple as
possible for your first test.
A text editor such as kate or gedit is a good choice because such
applications have less hotkeys and other special actions already defined
that might conflict with your new hotkey
- Once you see that the hotkey works, you can try it in the
application window(s) it is designed to be used with
- Once that works, you can add special features to your phrase like
the Phrase settings and Window filters
Some variations to the above sequence are possible, but they should be
avoided until you are comfortable using AutoKey's basic functionality and
have a basic understanding of how to figure out what's wrong if something
doesn't work as expected.
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@lebergerdesphotons Just reread your second post. "We're All Bozo's On This Bus" - to really date myself ;). The rest of these comments are in no particular order. Clicking on the modifier keys before clicking on Record does not work and is a forever bug. So far, we haven't banished anyone in all these years and have only had one troll who temped us. I have no idea what distro Virginia and Vanessa refer to, but I'm glad one of them works for you. Long ago and far away, MS invested in Apple just so Apple wouldn't die and leave them without competition that they could complain about to anyone filing antitrust actions against them. We see how that turned out! Microsoft was eventually forced to acknowledge, however grudgingly, that Linux is a much more powerful environment for developers (and for the most part, for servers), so they adopted some of it (WSL...) to keep them happy. Linux was and still is one size for each person, which is way beyond the normal user's capabilities to understand and maintain, so Windows with all its drawbacks remains the OS of choice for most users. However, if you haven't gotten snarled up with that demonic invention called the Registry, you haven't done much in Windows. And what you get is mostly what you're stuck with whether you like it or not whereas my Linux DTE (using KDE) isn't like anyone else's and, for the most part, eats out of my hand. Linux users for the most part expect everything to be FOSS and free, Traditional corporations have a very hard time learning how to make money in that environment and don't want to give up the control that closed environments give them. IMO, AutoKey is the most powerful desktop Automation tool for Linux (and will continue to be for the foreseeable future if we can get some new developers and get most or all of it ported to work on Wayland). Unfortunately, that's a big As Far as no one getting any use out of Linux, that blasphemy tells me you are not a fluent CLI (command line interface) user. There is nothing anywhere that even comes close to what you can do with a bit of bash or other shells. If you don't learn the basics of that, you are missing the true glory and wonder of Linux. If you want a new feature of any sort, feel free to open a feature request issue. (And then help us recruit some developers to implement it.) Windows and Android (and probably iOS) have a lot of data harvesting built in. I'm somewhere between a Liberal and a Libertarian (not a very comfortable combination) and into cryptocurrencies, so don't get me started on that unless you want to take the discussion somewhere else that won't bore or upset everyone else here. :) |
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Clicking on the modifier keys before clicking on Record does not work and
is a forever bug.
I suspect you of employing humor. I didn't think of it as a macro, I
thought of it as a place where once the focus was there, I'd push my key
combination and then click on your (what I now know to be) macro record
button.
So far, we haven't banished anyone in all these years and have only had one
troll who temped us.
I have no idea what distro Virginia and Vanessa refer to, but I'm glad one
of them works for you. Linux Mint
Long ago and far away, MS invested in Apple just so Apple wouldn't die and
leave them without competition that they could complain about to anyone
filing antitrust actions against them. We see how that turned out! It
turned out perfectly for the people involved. Bill Gates clearly is a
front man for the same people who own Apple, but that is obvious by the
fact that it's the same people who own everything.
Microsoft was eventually forced to acknowledge, however grudgingly, that
Linux is a much more powerful environment for developers (and for the most
part, for servers),
I remember laughing at them when they influenced their way to get a
military ship to use windows NT to run all it's system and the commander
said, "we're dead in the water".
so they adopted some of it (WSL...) to keep them happy. Linux was and
still is one size for each person, which is way beyond the normal user's
capabilities to understand and maintain, so Windows with all its drawbacks
remains the OS of choice for most users.
Yes, in most circumstances it's a question of time. People paying
employees don't want to pay for the learning curve for each employee who
then being worth something will go find a higher paying job from somebody
who refused to pay for his learning curve. Just another way to keep the
rich getting richer and the contrary.
However, if you haven't gotten snarled up with that demonic invention
called the Registry, you haven't done much in Windows.
I know of it, without permitting it to irritate me too much. As you say
further down, the advantage of windows is that somebody will have already
done something which works out of the box. And not having x styles of
mutually incompatible desktops hasn't hurt them.
And what you get is mostly what you're stuck with whether you like it or
not
Yes, as one is stuck with a shit googleearth on linux and a very competent
one in windows.
whereas my Linux DTE (using KDE) isn't like anyone else's and, for the
most part, eats out of my hand.
I guess you've been making a living by having learned all of that?
Linux users for the most part expect everything to be FOSS and free,
Traditional corporations have a very hard time learning how to make money
in that environment and don't want to give up the control that closed
environments give them.
In spite of having copious advantages to not pay any taxes on their gains.
IMO, AutoKey is the most powerful desktop Automation tool for Linux (and
will continue to be for the foreseeable future if we can get some new
developers and get most or all of it ported to work on Wayland).
Unfortunately, that's a big
'if" ATM. However, we have a number of partial competitors. See #775
<#775> .
I clicked on my github link above and it doesn't bring me to my comments
and I didn't see them right away so didn't look further (windows syndrome)
Yes, once I got over the hump, I was pleased with it. Unfortunate that
another forever bug is that it can't work before the login. So it makes it
uninteresting to put a good password on the linux box itself.
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@lebergerdesphotons <https://github.com/lebergerdesphotons> Just reread
your second post. "We're All Bozo's On This Bus" - to really date myself ;).
The rest of these comments are in no particular order.
Clicking on the modifier keys before clicking on Record does not work and
is a forever bug.
So far, we haven't banished anyone in all these years and have only had
one troll who temped us.
I have no idea what distro Virginia and Vanessa refer to, but I'm glad one
of them works for you.
Long ago and far away, MS invested in Apple just so Apple wouldn't die and
leave them without competition that they could complain about to anyone
filing antitrust actions against them. We see how that turned out!
Microsoft was eventually forced to acknowledge, however grudgingly, that
Linux is a much more powerful environment for developers (and for the most
part, for servers), so they adopted some of it (WSL...) to keep them happy.
Linux was and still is one size for each person, which is way beyond the
normal user's capabilities to understand and maintain, so Windows with all
its drawbacks remains the OS of choice for most users.
However, if you haven't gotten snarled up with that demonic invention
called the Registry, you haven't done much in Windows. And what you get is
mostly what you're stuck with whether you like it or not whereas my Linux
DTE (using KDE) isn't like anyone else's and, for the most part, eats out
of my hand.
Linux users for the most part expect everything to be FOSS and free,
Traditional corporations have a very hard time learning how to make money
in that environment and don't want to give up the control that closed
environments give them.
IMO, AutoKey is the most powerful desktop Automation tool for Linux (and
will continue to be for the foreseeable future if we can get some new
developers and get most or all of it ported to work on Wayland).
Unfortunately, that's a big
'if" ATM. However, we have a number of partial competitors. See #775
<#775> .
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I am currently stuck using a very old flea watt notebook that crashes a lot, so I'm forced to update comments before I'm done so I don't lose them. You replied while I was still editing the last one. Very long ago and far away, I got a job at a bank developing standalone teller terminal software on a UNIX System III development system. I already knew a little C and assembly language, so I got the job and learned UNIX. Since I left there, I switched over to Linux as soon as I discovered it (RedHat 7.2 then Mandrake 9.1) and have been using it ever since at home. I haven't made any money from it though. I haven't booted into Windows for quite a few years and am quite pleased about that. When I last used it, I would boot into it infrequently and spend almost the entire time running many hours of Windows updates. I really don't miss that! If you want a good password on Linux, I don't know how to do it, but I'm sure there is a way to set it up with 2FA using a Yubikey or similar. I always wanted one of those and may eventually get one to use with a crypto hardware wallet. BTW. GitHub supports markdown, so you can make quoted text look like quotes... to make it easier to read. Yep. YubiKey. |
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Oh. Just for sanity, in AutoKey, the Python scripts you write to do things that phrases normally can't do are called "scripts". The term "macros" is reserved for active things you can embed in phrases that are of the form |
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I'll look to see what markdown is.
So you've done autokey by yourself? And this is not how you make a
living? What DO you do to make a living? Or maybe you're retired? I
don't worry much about the security of my password, perhaps I should, but I
think I'll be all right even if my house is broken into or if I forget a
laptop in a public place simply because the person who'd see it would think
how it's not even worth trying to sell it and it would never occur to them
that it could have a value. But to protect myself after that, It'd just be
a matter of changing the passwords on the 320 ubiquiti radios I've set up
in a radius of 30 km from my house here in the valley of the Dordogne.
I've got the kind of coverage of this area now where it's rare that I could
need googleearth. As I say, I use win7 with the updates turned off. I
want to be free of the ubiquiti "aircontrol2", don't want to use more
recent "cloud" versions because the other side of the easy to see
disjointed lans is the it's easy for them to know everything I'm up to..
Was looking at libreNMS. Wasted a couple hours yesterday having spaced and
looking at openNMS. much too complicated and not necessary for what I'm
doing. If you're open to the idea of making a little bit of money in your
old age (basing that on your "dating myself" comment), this is a good
way. The economies of the world are being destroyed, people are waking up
to that they're tracked like rodents by foxes. I connect 40 or 50 people
on one fiber optic, sometimes 30 miles and four links away. They're all
happy, very few really need a fiber of their own. So I'll be able to offer
internet service for half price of the big operators and provide people
with a local area network to people in their area (which is not surveilled
and up till now I have no logging requirement for such a beast). I think
for the sake of humanity in the future, we need to get back in touch with
our neighbors. The financial and surveillance incentives might make people
consider it. I was even considering taking out a google ad to help the
capitalists sell me the rope I hang them with. I've been doing this for 20
years now with no advertising beyond satisfied customers talking to each
other in their own houses. You probably know enough to get it going
yourself, but I might have learned some things in 20 years about making
outdoor links on trees and rocks that don't need any attention for years
that could be useful to you. Let me know if the idea appeals to you.
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I am currently stuck using a very old flea watt notebook that crashes a
lot, so I'm forced to update comments before I'm done so I don't lose them.
You replied while I was still editing the last one.
Very long ago and far away, I got a job at a bank developing standalone
teller terminal software on a UNIX System III development system. I already
knew a little C and assembly language, so I got the job and learned UNIX.
Since I left there, I switched over to Linux as soon as I discovered it
(RedHat 7.2 then Mandrake 9.1) and have been using it ever since at home. I
haven't made any money from it though. I haven't booted into Windows for
quite a few years and am quite pleased about that. When I last used it, I
would boot into it infrequently and spend almost the entire time running
many hours of Windows updates. I *really* don't miss that!
If you want a good password on Linux, I don't know how to do it, but I'm
sure there is a way to set it up with 2FA using a Yubikey or similar. I
always wanted one of those and may eventually get one to use with a crypto
hardware wallet.
BTW. GitHub supports markdown, so you can make quoted text look like
quotes... to make it easier to read.
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I wonder if macros or scripts couldn't make googleearth behave
intelligently on linux. What I saw with linux googleearth is that they
waste your time. On windows, I tell it to go to a point, it'll show me a
view from an intelligent distance overhead. I believe I can change that
distance in a config file, but it works so well I never bothered. With
linux, it brings me straight over top of my point but zooms me out to lunar
orbit, takes a minute of mousing to get to where it's in a useful spot.
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Oh. Just for sanity, in AutoKey, the Python scripts you write to do things
that phrases normally can't do are called "scripts".
The term "macros" is reserved for active things you can embed in phrases
that are of the form <keyword...> such as <code...>, <cursor>, <left>, ...
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If you were into Dilbert, I think of myself as the Pointy Haired Boss of AutoKey. I do management and support. Other than writing some scripts and merging the occasional PR from someone else, I don't do any coding on AutoKey. I only know a little Python. The Ubiquiti thing sounds great. That and mesh networks are the future, but not as a business for me. Markdown. There's also a link right below this entry panel when it's open for editing. Markdown is useful to know because a lot of sites use it. The basics are very simple and we have some example scripts in the wiki that wrap text in tokens that could be adapted for use with markdown. I'm enjoying this discussion, but we really need to get it off of GitHub. We don't want to fill things up with OT content. We could continue on Gitter either in a public or private room, use email, chat, or even keet. |
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if you tell me how to find you on those. searching for autokey perhaps?
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If you were into Dilbert, I think of myself as the Pointy Haired Boss of
AutoKey. I do management and support. Other than writing some scripts and
merging the occasional PR from someone else, I don't do any coding on
AutoKey. I only know a little Python.
The Ubiquiti thing sounds great. That and mesh networks are the future,
but not as a business for me.
Markdown
<https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/writing-on-github/getting-started-with-writing-and-formatting-on-github>.
There's also a link right below this entry panel when it's open for
editing. Markdown is useful to know because a lot of sites use it. The
basics are very simple and we have some example scripts in the wiki that
wrap text in tokens that could be adapted for use with markdown.
I'm enjoying this discussion, but we really need to get it off of GitHub.
We don't want to fill things up with OT content. We could continue on
Gitter <https://gitter.im/autokey/autokey> either in a public or private
room, use email, chat, or even keet <https://keet.io>.
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Googleearth: I have never played with it. But, if you can do what you want manually with an algorithm of keyboard and mouse actions, you can probably code that into an AutoKey Python script. The generic problem is that virtually no sites are designed to be automated, so figuring out the exact sequence needed can be tricky - especially making sure your cursor is in the right place to start with. I have had some epic fails when I have run multi-step scripts from the wrong starting point by accident. Once a script starts, you just sit there watching it do ridiculous things and there's usually nothing you can do about it until it stops itself. Also, the designers change their website and application layouts whenever they feel like it and that generally wrecks most automation scripts. |
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The Gitter link above will take you straight to our Gitter page. You have to make a free account to use it. Once there, you can post in the AutoKey room and I can either reply in thread to start a thread that no one else will see unless they explicitly click on it. I can also see your Gitter handle and use it to invite you to a private room I have there. I'm not a chat person, so that would be up to you. For email, we'd have to exchange addresses. We could do that in a Gitter private room. I'm new to keet, but it looks really slick. I think I would have to send an invite from it to your email (and you would have to have it installed on your system). Then, we have encrypted text, voice, and video if we want it along with the ability to invite others to join as appropriate. |
AutoKey is a Xorg application and will not function in a Wayland session. Do you use Xorg (X11) or Wayland?
Xorg
Has this issue already been reported?
Is this a question rather than an issue?
What type of issue is this?
Enhancement
Choose one or more terms that describe this issue:
Other terms that describe this issue if not provided above:
No response
Which Linux distribution did you use?
Distributor ID: Linuxmint
Description: Linux Mint 21.2
Release: 21.2
Codename: victoria
Which AutoKey GUI did you use?
GTK
Which AutoKey version did you use?
0.95.10
How did you install AutoKey?
apt
Can you briefly describe the issue?
Different applications have different paste mechanism, This makes reuse of phrase across applications difficult.
e.g. most applications accept Ctrl+V but Terminal requires Ctrl + Shift + V
Currently we have a Paste option which forces us to select one of the available method.
Adding a
copy to clipboard onlymethod which copies the phrase to clipboard for 10 sec will allow the user to use an application specific paste method.Can the issue be reproduced?
Always
What are the steps to reproduce the issue?
Create a phrase,
set paste option to Ctrl V,
Try pasting in Gnome Terminal
What should have happened?
Phrase should be pasted
What actually happened?
Phrase is not pasted
Do you have screenshots?
No
Can you provide the output of the AutoKey command?
No response
Anything else?
No response
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