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As of v4.2.0, QEMU upstream supports "TCG Plugins" which can analyze the execution of a guest as it runs. We've created a description of how these compare to PANDA plugins on our wiki here.
TCG Plugins seem like a promising direction for us to implement PANDA-like analyses (with the exception of record/replay) in a way that will help us stay up to date with upstream QEMU. Changes we make towards this goal could likely be merged into upstream QEMU as well as some of our plugins. I suspect upstream QEMU won't be interested in many of our plugins (since they're large, complex, and unrelated to building a good emulator), but the API changes we might make towards this goal and some of the example plugins would hopefully be something they'd take.
If we were to re-implement parts of PANDA atop this model, those parts would be able to stay up to date with upstream easily, significantly reducing our maintenance burden, and we'd also hopefully be able to contribute something of value back to the upstream project that has given us the emulation backbone of our project.
We've started this effort in the panda-re/qemu repo, but it's currently an initial effort just demonstrating viability. We've created a port of the PPP system for inter-plugin interactions (renamed to QPP), ported a few plugins: syscalls, stringsearch, syscalls_logger, and OSI / OSI Linux.
There are a number of blocking issues with merging this into upstream, in particular missing APIs for reading and modifying guest state. We've speculated that upstream qemu is likely to be opposed to plugins that modify guest state (in their, non-analysis, use case these would probably just introduce instability and bugs). But being able to read guest registers/memory seems like a reasonable feature.
Here's a rough roadmap we see with some notes for each point:
Expand plugin API to allow writing guest virtual memory
Expand plugin API to allow writing guest registers
Port core panda plugins
Port PyPANDA Interface for unified guest control and analysis
Not all of these need to happen in upstream - we could maintain a fork that expands the plugin APIs and then build our plugins atop these expanded APIs if necessary. That model would beat our current model, but the best case would be to get as much as we can merged with upstream.
* The patch we went to upstream got some feedback, but we ended up blocked on the concern that was roughly "You need to also give us a plugin that does something with these changes" which is difficult while there's no way for plugins to read/write any guest state. If the plugin API is expanded to allow plugins to read guest memory, we can include some plugins with that PR such as stringsearch of OSI linux.
The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered:
As of v4.2.0, QEMU upstream supports "TCG Plugins" which can analyze the execution of a guest as it runs. We've created a description of how these compare to PANDA plugins on our wiki here.
TCG Plugins seem like a promising direction for us to implement PANDA-like analyses (with the exception of record/replay) in a way that will help us stay up to date with upstream QEMU. Changes we make towards this goal could likely be merged into upstream QEMU as well as some of our plugins. I suspect upstream QEMU won't be interested in many of our plugins (since they're large, complex, and unrelated to building a good emulator), but the API changes we might make towards this goal and some of the example plugins would hopefully be something they'd take.
If we were to re-implement parts of PANDA atop this model, those parts would be able to stay up to date with upstream easily, significantly reducing our maintenance burden, and we'd also hopefully be able to contribute something of value back to the upstream project that has given us the emulation backbone of our project.
We've started this effort in the panda-re/qemu repo, but it's currently an initial effort just demonstrating viability. We've created a port of the PPP system for inter-plugin interactions (renamed to QPP), ported a few plugins: syscalls, stringsearch, syscalls_logger, and OSI / OSI Linux.
There are a number of blocking issues with merging this into upstream, in particular missing APIs for reading and modifying guest state. We've speculated that upstream qemu is likely to be opposed to plugins that modify guest state (in their, non-analysis, use case these would probably just introduce instability and bugs). But being able to read guest registers/memory seems like a reasonable feature.
Here's a rough roadmap we see with some notes for each point:
Not all of these need to happen in upstream - we could maintain a fork that expands the plugin APIs and then build our plugins atop these expanded APIs if necessary. That model would beat our current model, but the best case would be to get as much as we can merged with upstream.
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The patch we went to upstream got some feedback, but we ended up blocked on the concern that was roughly "You need to also give us a plugin that does something with these changes" which is difficult while there's no way for plugins to read/write any guest state. If the plugin API is expanded to allow plugins to read guest memory, we can include some plugins with that PR such as stringsearch of OSI linux.The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: